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  2. I know Addison is good along with several IL and West Oak kids. The Spires kid in the upper weights is a good wrestler. Chester has the Mills kids that are good. I just don’t know many of the other teams in 3A
  3. 3A has West Oak and Indian Land and they are both consistently good programs regardless of classification. Just on the wrestling front, realignment really took a toll on 4A this year when Cane Bay, Chapin, and those guys moved up to 5A. We aren’t the only state with too many classes, as GA has really killed their State Tournament having 7 Classifications. There are some coaches who would love to see at least 3, 4, and 5A combined for individuals, maybe we will see that one day.
  4. @sbutler...yes I know you were just joking around as I was also about 3a kids beating 5a kids (but I'm sure a few have) I have 2 that wrestle in 3a and was just wanting to see everyone else opinion as mine is probably basis ...lol
  5. My comment was just a lighthearted jab at the over classification we have, I thought that was obvious . I was being very honest though that I haven’t seen much of the 3A kids, so I couldn’t offer much there. I do know Asa Addison and Tyler Byars and they are both very good. I know 3A has some very good kids and programs, but as I said, I’m just not educated enough to make a prediction. Plenty of talented kids in SC. If we were ever blessed enough to see a single Individual State Tournament like California has, it would be can’t miss stuff with deep brackets and exciting matches up and down every bracket. One day maybe
  6. Other than Williams at 145, what 3A kids have beat the better 5A kids?
  7. @s butler I think some of the 3a kids have beat some of the top 5a/4a guys lol... 106-saber Woodward 113-AJ Dickerson 120-ASA Addison 126-noah moore 132-preston Jacob 138-ryan Dobbs 145-matt Williams 152-tyler Byars 160-markieth drakford 170-drake Carroll 182-tyrin Jordan 195-cc spires 220-cam Lott 285-jevontae salmond
  8. I wish they would go back to announcing all names prior to the finals starting, with the handshake between competitors.
  9. Regardless of how well it’s run the state tournament for public school kids in South Carolina does a disservice to the kids, the coaches, and the people that support them. I feel bad for the families and wrestlers that live along the coast. I also feel that having a state tournament in a location with no showers or true locker room is a recipe for skin funk. That said I have no clue where else it can be held to accommodate the 100 divisions of wrestling.
  10. 126 is loaded. There are 4 Good kids from Lower State, and haven’t really seen much of Wiliiams this year, so don’t know if he can beat any of the 4 from Lower State. 160- The winner of the Semi Final between Butler & Wall will be the winner. I’m expecting Wall to take it up a notch this weekend. I think Metts is a bad match up for Compton. So if Metts gets by Westfield, I like his chances to get too finals. The Freshman Vargo is going to be tough to beat.
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  12. Michael Ramirez at 152 could be a surprise to some. I think he comes out of the bottom side to face Starks. I’ll take Rice at HWT against Shuler. Compton from Byrnes is my choice at 113. I’ll take Love at 120. I’ll take Butler at 160. The 126 weight class is solid from 1-8. I wouldn’t be surprised at any winner in this weight.
  13. Does 3A have a State Tournament?? Just kidding. I can give my 4A Predictions, but honestly I haven’t seen, educated enough on 3A to weigh in on that. 4A 106- Cox vs Levy 113- Heard FD Leonard 120- Rumfelt vs Pearce 126- White vs Oquinn 132- Allen vs Durrance 138- Augustine vs Belk 145- Maholtz vs Gore 152- Ethington vs Dagin 160- Augustine vs Ryans 170- Riley vs Flores 182- Ekanem vs Matthews 195- Barnes vs Pressey 220- Holmes vs Wolf HW- Reese vs James
  14. My 4A picks.... 106 - Cox (SP) 113 - Heard (York) 120 - Rumfelt (York) 126 - White (Eastside) 132 - Allen (Eastside) 138 - Augustine (Eastside) 145 - Maholtz (Eastside) 152 - Ethington (Eastside) 160 - Augustine (Eastside) 170 - Riley (Travelers Rest) 182 - Ekanem (South Pointe) 195 - Barnes (Eastside) 220 - Wolfe (NMB) HWT - Reece (BHP)
  15. What's your 4a and 3a finals match ups?
  16. Only_Avg

    5A State Qualifiers

    I don't have any problem with recognizing both. I don't think that we're really on opposite sides of this issue. I love the team aspect of wrestling, but I love it within the total individual accountability, and individual performance involved. I think that having the individual tournaments during the playoffs keeps the pressure and build-up going without the dead time that I think that our current system creates for those teams that aren't in the playoffs. Right now, I see a big advantage for those teams that make it at least to the upper/lower state team duals match. What I shared gives a slight advantage to those teams not in the playoffs. If we're trying to build the sport, and get more teams to the upper levels, we don't need to set those teams that aren't at the upper echelons (this word means levels Maholtz) at a disadvantage. I think that the biggest problem that we have right now is finding ways for the weakest teams amongst us to grow. One of our biggest difficulties is that the sport listens more to those coaches that are having success, and we don't really tend to care about the problems facing Podunk High (Evan Moxie's alma mater) when we only see one of their wrestlers in the state tournament in odd numbered years, and he goes two and out anyways.
  17. Sbutler

    5A State Qualifiers

    Wrestling simply is an Individual Sport First, with a team element Second. To try and diminish in any form, strip away the importance of individual success in this sport is a problem. It all starts there and everything in the sport builds off that. Again, pretty easy and don't see any downside to officially recognizing both.
  18. Only_Avg

    5A State Qualifiers

    I think that the current schedule makes it feel like an ad-on. This schedule is really close to what we had in this state through 1998. I thought that it worked well then for the most part. The biggest issue then was that playoff matches were on Wednesday nights, and that only allowed for one day to recuperate and practice before the beginning of the individual tournament. Tuesday would give Sunday and Monday after an individual tournament to get ready for a dual match, and then Wednesday and Thursday to get ready for individuals. The big problem would probably be basketball, but I don't know. The issue that I think is hurting lesser teams right now is you have some down time just before playoffs, then a full week of playoffs (which means nothing but practice for non-playoff teams), then just about another full week before individuals begin. It's really hard to keep a kid who has a slim shot of qualifying for state focused for over two straight weeks without any true competition.
  19. Favorite thread of the year. I'd like you to add "No Accessible Showers for Athletes" as a topic of discussion as well. All joking aside, last years tournament was a marked improvement and well run. Hopefully the brain trust running this bad boy has continued to develop new ideas to improve.
  20. ParTerre57

    5A State Qualifiers

    Maybe I'm interpreting this poorly but this paints the picture that the individual portion of the postseason is, for lack of a better term, the "add-on" and that is for sure not something I'd want to impress upon my kids.
  21. 106- Hunsberger vs Poppe 113- Ward vs Westfield/Metts 120- Vargo vs Schultz 126- Brown vs Suriano/Jurey 132- Aluyan vs Simpson 138- Wilkins vs Amaker 145- Schock vs Kilcrease 152- Starks vs Sritan 160- Wall vs Fisher 170- Stephenson vs Connelly 182- McKinight vs Haile 195- Jones vs James 220- Smith vs Fernicola HW- Anderson vs Shuler
  22. Sbutler

    5A State Qualifiers

    I believe this has hurt participation at individuals. It's just tough for me to understand, that barring injury, why every team isn't taking a full roster to Lower/Upper State. Taking the opportunity to give some kids some extra matches and exposure to that environment would only benefit the kid and team for next year. It definitely appears that some programs are indifferent whether a wrestler continues on to Individuals or not. Again I don't think that is good for the growth and quality of wrestling. If they went back to recognizing the Individual Tournament Team along with Duals, like so many other states do, would that change that problem, I believe it would 100%. It makes no sense not to officially recognize both. And to Suntzu189 about less people making the trip this weekend. I think a big part of that is hosting the tournament in the most unideal location possible. How it has gone on this long without a more centralized location, Ill never understand. I would 100% guarantee that if this event was in Columbia you would have better attendance.
  23. Only_Avg

    5A State Qualifiers

    I like both the duals and the individuals as well. I haven't yet been involved with a team that wasn't a part of the playoffs, however I see a huge problem with keeping a full team primed and ready to go if you miss the playoffs, as you then have at least two full weeks without any competition gearing up for the individual tournament. I think that our postseason has a bad schedule. What I would like to see is something like this: 1st Saturday: first two rounds of playoffs Next Tuesday-ish: 3rd round playoffs 2nd Friday/saturday: individual upper & Lower state Next Tuesday-ish: team upper/lower state 3rd Friday/Saturday: Individual state championships 4th Friday/Saturday: Duals state championships It's the same amount of time used as before, however ... we give more build-up time between playoff matches, and those teams that go all the way through the playoffs have more time to recover from tough matches (less need to forfeit out once a victory is clinched), and we get those teams that aren't a part of the playoff picture an easier time to stay "in wrestling season mode" for their individual performances. I know that this system isn't perfect, and has some serious flaws. However, I think that it's a better schedule than we use right now. Personally, I'm impressed with how well those schools that only have one or two kids good enough to qualify for state, and no playoffs experience are able to keep their teams in it at the end of the year.
  24. Only_Avg

    5A State Qualifiers

    Once an eagle, always an eagle. Some things can't be undone. She would have found a way to hate you at Dutch Fork, but she probably could have stomached (see what I did there?) you just fine if you had stayed at Dorman. Once you went to Eastside there was no chance. For the record, it probably isn't personal towards Koz either. I like both of yall just fine as long as I remember that you both aren't really "from Eastside" and you guys just happen to work there.
  25. SCESPO

    5A State Qualifiers

    Dual playoffs are extremely exciting and provide a format most people understand. Example: If we win on Saturday we are in the quarter finals, then semis, then finals. It's awesome because students who have no clue about wrestling can still congratulate your team on advancing to the next round. Even if it's not the same build up other sports get, it still has a build up. Individuals are great for true wrestling fans. I can't wait to watch some of the match ups at state. It doesn't matter which school is represented, I'm looking forward to some quality wrestling. I think individuals does represent an entire team even if only a few qualify. You are only as good as your drill partner, and our best kids are pushed and encouraged daily by the other 50-60 kids in the room. As for which one crowns the real state champions.......I would agree with the people saying both. Obviously I hope we win this weekend. If we don't, I would hope whatever team does celebrates as much as we did. It's not an easy thing to accomplish and it deserves to be celebrated. Winning a state individual tournament is hard. At the end of the day, it's just another opportunity for high school students to show their skills at a culminating event. I would hate to see someone try and cheapen that.
  26. suntzu189

    5A State Qualifiers

    We have to stop comparing SC wrestling to NCAAs, Big 10, and the Olympics. Would shifting which style of tournament awards are SCHSL state champion improve the quality of our wrestling or get more kids to participate? I know the SCWCA has talked about the idea of taking the duals back and hosting a friday/saturday event so that we could raise more funds to cover North-South/pay for our clinician at the Clinic each year. That would also make the duals a bigger event, even if it was just the Final 4 on a Friday night, championships on saturday (maybe even place out to 4th?) The more people we can get watching wrestling, the more likely we are to see growth. The individual tournament does provide WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more schools the opportunity to be represented, but overall people are not making that trip to Anderson without a direct relative who has a chance at the finals. Everyone is more interested in the duals, I get texts/tweets from people asking about updates during the dual finals every year. I have never had anyone ask me how a specific wrestler has done in their bracket at individuals, but I've only been involved in coaching for the past 10 years. Maybe you have to get to the second decade before you see more people interested in how the individual tournament is going.
  27. Sbutler

    5A State Qualifiers

    We will have to agree to disagree on that. Again the use of strategic non wrestling that takes place in allot of the matches in the dual playoffs, I don't think that would suck in a newcomer. Along the lines of the same reason why Wrestling was almost out of the Olympics, and new rules had to be created to promote more action/scoring, to make it more appealing to the non core audience!
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